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Ban on Sale of Pints, Half-Pints and Mini Bottles of Alcohol Proposed

The measure, presented by Mayor Tom Giarrante to cut down on abuse by young and homeless drinkers, would also prohibit the sale of single bottles of high-alcohol beer.

Selling single bottles of high-alcohol beer and miniature bottles of liquor and wine would be prohibited in under an ordinance proprosed by Mayor Tom Giarrante.

The measure, which would also ban the sale of half pints and pints of liquor, was presented this week to the Joliet Liquor Commission, which is headed by Giarrante, the city's liquor commissioner.

"The problem (with the small bottles) is they're easy to buy and they don't cost a lot of money," Giarrante said. "They're easy to steal and easy to hide."

brought the issue to the mayor because they've observed panhandlers collecting money and then buying the small bottles, primarily because they're inexpensive, he said. They're also popular among young drinkers, Giarrante said.

The proposed ordinance would make an exception for the miniature bottles if they're packaged in cases of four, six or more, Giarrante said. Single cans or bottles of beer with low-alcohol content could be sold individually as long as they're warm, but those with high-alcohol content would have to be sold in six-packs, he said.

Putting a ban on the miniature bottles seemed well-received by the business owners who attended the Wednesday meeting, Giarrante said, but there was far less acceptance of outlawing half and full pints of liquor and single bottles of beer.

The prohibition on half pints and pints could put a dent in liquor stores' income, while the restrictions on the higher-alcohol beer could make it impossible to sell expensive specialty beer, which often does not come in six-packs and is typically sold by the bottle, Giarrante said.

Given the owners' concerns, the ordinance will be discussed again at the next liquor commission meeting set for 9 a.m. Aug. 15 at Harrah's. If endorsed by the commission, the ordinance would still need Joliet City Council approval.

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Matt August 03, 2012 at 11:08 AM
I think its a great idea. Maybe then low income people would use the little bit of money they have for the things they really need instead of alcohol. Good Job Mayor.
Dawn Kaluzny August 03, 2012 at 11:39 AM
If I wanted a nanny, I'd hire one.
west sider August 03, 2012 at 12:25 PM
I think it is a horrible idea, I purchase the small bottles to cook with when a recipe calls for alcohol I also purchase single bottles of beer for making German recipes as I we don't drink beer in my house. It is way cheaper and easier for me to purchase in small quantities. It would take me 20+ Years to get through on large bottle of bourbon, whiskey or rum. Now if the mayor thinks this will stop low income and homeless from purchasing alcohol he is delusional.
Matt August 03, 2012 at 01:31 PM
Ok. So we will let the homeless people keep begging for change to buy a small bottle just so that once a year you can make a dish with alcohol in it. Its not targeting you, they are trying to keep the bums off the streets.
west sider August 03, 2012 at 01:46 PM
Okay Matt, I could see that this would be beneficial in the downtown area of Joliet. There is a huge population of homeless in the downtown area and around the businesses. I don't feel this will be a deter the homeless from being on the streets as there are many people without homes in this very poor economy.
Clutche August 03, 2012 at 02:50 PM
Government intervention at it's worst. This is absurd. The city needs to balance it's budget not interfere with free enterprise.
Brad Baber August 03, 2012 at 03:21 PM
Is Giarrante for real? Why don't we get to the root of the problem here - Jobs! While the state is doing everything it can to drive businesses and jobs out of Illinois, Nanny Tom is right there with them raising taxes in a bad economy, for a shortfall it turns out we didn't actually have -but he's still keeping the tax money. You want to reduce drinking, cut spending, lower taxes, improve the business environment so that the private sector can create jobs. Then you'll have more people working and fewer drinkers on the corner. Hey, then if they are serious about their drinking, they can buy the Costco size bottles? Giarrante will then have to just ban Alchohol. Wait....wasn't that tried before? How did that go? And if someone is of age, why would we think it's ok to tell them what they can and can't do? In all seriousness, Americans don't need a Nanny State. Who made Tom Giarrante the arbitor of our rights and freedoms? He's not qualified, nor is it in keeping with American values. If you go down this road, where does it end. Does one guy get to decide to ban fast food Chicken joints just because HE doesn't agree with the owners personal views? Certain people have a GOD complex and think only they know better.
Jessie Kaufman August 03, 2012 at 04:57 PM
So, what are the homeless people going to buy instead? Small quantities of drugs? Sounds like a good plan to me. Idiots.
lvent August 03, 2012 at 05:34 PM
More Government nannying.
Concerned (NL) August 03, 2012 at 05:42 PM
Folks - read the entire story and think about it before you post. Naperville did this and cleaned up the town. This is only free standing stores - you can still get your little cooking supplies at the big grocery stores. The homeless drunks will move to another area. This will also cut done on teenage drinking and availablity as the teens can often get a person to purchase for them as well as get servered at the smaller places. This has been proven to work in other areas. It isn't as if the mayor woke up this morning with the bright idea on his own.
John Roberts August 03, 2012 at 05:43 PM
What you will end up with is a bunch of " bums" as people label them pitching in on a bigger bottle,have more of them hanging around in one spot together,and they will be fighting more over who gets what....taking away smaller bottles leaves you to buy a bigger bottle and spend more money..which has one of the highers taxes on it...get it...it's all about the tax money, what does taking a smaller bottle away do in reality....nothing....same thing as keeping locking people up that smoke marijuana..lol does absolutely no good, but what it does set precedent for is making more laws off of this law that will ban other things...
lvent August 03, 2012 at 05:49 PM
So glad to hear that the Government is creating their own little Utopia for you guys over there in Naperville. Where exactly did all of those so called homeless bums go? Did they evaporate?
John Roberts August 03, 2012 at 05:49 PM
What I see now is people not liking the Hard guy,the tough guy on crime, figuring out it is all a bunch of bull arent ya? not so nice when they guy you though was going to be hard on crime starts to limit your liberties is it?.... People need to quit electing idiots..when a man stand and tells you he is going to clean up this town crap best believe the first things their going to do is start more restrictions against his citizens..Without removing not a single restriction from before....Think before you vote..Hard guys,tough guys all have a point to prove...has nothing to do with thinking about human behavior and how people think...it about a " I'm the man complex"..
lvent August 03, 2012 at 05:53 PM
GOOGLE AGENDA 21...Be careful when you wish for a "perfect world." People aren't perfect and the Government sure isn't going to create one by running the homeless people they create out of town.
The Guy August 03, 2012 at 05:54 PM
OK then just go shop at S&A Liquors in Crest Hill. The guys that run it are good guys. It's right next to Joliet and easy to find!
lvent August 03, 2012 at 05:56 PM
Maybe we should be more convened about soaring gas, food and utility prices. Those are the real killers.
lvent August 03, 2012 at 05:59 PM
Correct typo...apparently, sometimes the notebook has a mind of its own... Maybe we should be more CONCERNED with soaring gas, food and utility prices. The real killers.
lvent August 03, 2012 at 06:10 PM
Here is a bit of info on Agenda 21...it's disguised as cleaning up things...it is real and it's oppressive . http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/ http://www.freedomadvocates.org/
Bluegille79 August 03, 2012 at 06:35 PM
All I can say is Wow! Is this as big of an issue as this city can handle? They as a group, both present and prior took care of themselveves first. From the top down to every city worker. And this is what we are getting for our votes and money? How about being pro active about the major issues that this city has? There are so many. This is hardly one of them
DRECKS August 03, 2012 at 07:25 PM
Go across Theodore into Cresthill or south into Rockdale or west to Shorewood.
DRECKS August 03, 2012 at 07:32 PM
Walk a couple hundred yards in any direction from any store that sells these little bottles and you will see discarded little bottles littering the landscape. I say good job Mayor. This is not the biggest isue in town ,but all issues need to be addressed.
DRECKS August 03, 2012 at 07:34 PM
I wish I could afford a new I-phone like the homeless guy in front of me buying that little bottle of booze.
Matt August 03, 2012 at 07:42 PM
Ban the little booze! If they cant afford the big bottle, then they shouldnt be drinking.
Tony August 03, 2012 at 07:57 PM
Its just as easy to buy drugs and the drug dealer don't care how much you buy.A lot if these people buy the miniature bottles of hard liquor and dump it into a can of pop then throw the empty bottle in the parking lot then drive off.All the city is doing is taking money out of the pockets of law abiding store owners and giving it to drug peddelers who don't pay taxes. Control the drugs then go after the alcohol.
Bluegille79 August 03, 2012 at 09:22 PM
Lock em up in jail for 20 years for litering, if that what really bothers you. But it is wrong in my opition to have a goverment take away basic liberties because "if they can't afford the big bottle then they shouldn't be drinking" ? They have as much right to drink as anyone, I'm concerened this kind of thinking creates more divisiveness than good. Make the same commitment to making this city better for all as you have for yourselves, and we will start to make progress.
John Roberts August 07, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Well looks like we will have people go to crest hill to but little bottles and bring them here to Joliet and sell them like drugs.lol I can see it no a man walks up with a coat opens it up instead of seeing watches and jewelry he will have little bottles of liquor,can sell them for a dollar or 2 more lol.....making things illegal raises the prices of things on the black market,Remember this back in the day 1 million worth of Cocaine used to fill half a room,now it sits on the end of a small table making it more worth it to smuggle,when 1 package of cocaine is worth a million well that's what prohibition & the governments did.

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