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Patch Readers Say Mitt Romney Won Debate, but Didn't Sway Their Thinking

Those who gathered to watch the debate with Patch at Cemeno's Pizza didn't change their minds on who would get their vote but found the Republican candidate impressive.

Mitt Romney may have won the Wednesday night presidential debate in the eyes of those at the Joliet Patch viewing party, but his performance was not enough to switch the minds of the decided voters or to win the hearts of the undecided.

That said, Romney may have helped his cause by being able to hold his own with President Obama and to make points that the president failed to refute, said the attendees, who watched the debate at Cemeno's Pizza in Joliet. And Obama's demeanor may have hurt him because he appeared at times to be angered by Romney's answers but failed to adequately counter them, they said.

"I was impressed with Romney and the way he handled himself compared to Obama, who looked like a deer in the headlights," said Bob Jacksetich, a Romney supporter. "He seemed lost without his teleprompter."

But he didn't win over Mike Schauer, a union activist and Obama supporter.

"Trust, it's all about trust," Schauer said. "Mitt Romney I just don't trust. He has vowed to end collective bargaining, (to cut) the prevailing wages and the right for people to organize. All will drive wages down."

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Interestingly, two members of the audience were unemployed but neither was as worried about the candidates' views on Obama's health care as they were about what was said about creating new jobs.

Kevin Miller, an undecided voter, said he was leaning more toward Romney after hearing his views on job creation. Securing a job will resolve the insurance problem for him, he said. Andrew Wilson didn't disagree, but acknowledged he was rolling the dice without insurance, a problem he would have with guaranteed health insurance under Obama's plan.

Both were trumped by Heather F., who said provisions already mandated through Obamacare helped her receive cancer treatments to which she otherwise would not have add access.

"I wouldn't be alive without it," she said.

Other attendee comments included:

"(It's) scary Romney still wants to spend on defense since we already have the largest military in the world."

"The president has some fine skills. He's a great talker. I wasn't convinced Romney was the right man for the job, but he presented himself better and presented the best arguments."

"Romney seemed very smirky and condescending. Obama seemed more genuine and sincere."

"Obama kept agreeing Romney is right on many things."

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Christine October 04, 2012 at 11:35 AM
The reason Obama supporters who are unemployed are voting for him is clear. He will support them with our tax dollars. When those who want a welfare state approach outnumbering the productive workers, we have a serious problem. Obama has made the welfare state much larger. I'm not better off than I was four years ago, and in January, we'll get hit with the tax stick again. The average tax increase per family will be $3,500, with an average salary of $66,000.
William October 04, 2012 at 11:37 AM
Romney CLEARLY won the debate. Obama has been a disaster for the small business and the middle class. There are small businesses here in town and all over that have failed due to this president. Romney was genuine last nite. Obama was his smirkey self. I think Romney will keep the good things that are in the health care act and get rid of the bad in the act that will help bankrupt small business
Chester Rook October 04, 2012 at 01:53 PM
I think it's funny how no one has a memory beyond 4 years and only want to blame Obama for unemployment, the state of the economy, blah blah blah. Has everyone already forgot about the retard Bush who was the real person that got us here? Eight years with two expensive wars, tax cuts to avoid paying for them, and increased debt with China and the Saudi's. All this crying that Obama is the cause of our problems should fall on deaf ears. I am terrified of a man (Romney) being elected who is already in bed with outsourcing America and owing his soul to big business CEO's.
Mike Schauer October 04, 2012 at 03:33 PM
Mitt Romney claims he will provide 12 million jobs. Just where will he get them. The Republican Controled house has blocked every jobs sent to them. Jobs to bring back to America, Hire veterans first, heck Paul Ryan has voted against that bill twice. So are we to believe that if Romney were to be elected, that republicans in the House, would have a change of heart. Romney said he does not have a 5 trillion dollar tax cut. Maybe he should talk to running mate Ryan, because on 60 minutes Ryan said that their plan was to cut 20% across the board. Romney says that he will not raise tax's on the middle class. But the Tax PolicyCenter said that under the Romney/Ryan plan. Tax cuts would boost after tax income to 4.1 % for those earning 1million or more per year. But it would reduce the income for those under $200 per year by 1.2%. Romney also called the Bush tax cuts a job creator, in ten years of cuts where are the jobs,. Maybe he's talking about the jobs shipped overseas. Romney gave himself enough rope to hang himself with.
sillyrabbittrix October 04, 2012 at 03:54 PM
Where are you getting your information, Christine? Please provide your source for claiming taxes on Americans making less than a quarter of a million dollars a year would be raised under Obama, and also that those taxes would not be raised under Romney. As a woman, the choice would be comical if not so depressing. My rights would be at worst stripped, at best chipped away, under Romney-Ryan. How can anyone vote for an administration that has admitted they would treat 52% of the population as second class citizens, incapable of making decisions over their very own body? There are so many important issues at stake in this election, including the economy. Fact is, there are more people employed today than when Bush left office. And if Congress hadn't filibustered and stymied almost every single idea that passed in front of them, we would be in even better shape. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/13/13-reasons-why-this-is-the-worst-congress-ever/
sillyrabbittrix October 04, 2012 at 03:57 PM
Meanwhile, people continue to watch Fox News and end up with a deep misunderstanding of what is going on in politics. http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-uninformed-npr-listeners-not-poll-suggests/ Christine somehow thinks that the growing number of poor in our country has anything to do with Obama instead of the recession started during the Bush administration, and William thinks, without saying why, that the negative effects on the middle class have anything to do with Obama instead of the recession, big business, and tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations. Just sad.
John Tips October 04, 2012 at 07:43 PM
No Sir Chester, I may be old but I have not forgotten how this country got into the state it is in today! The bottom line is we got Bushwhacked by George, and his big business cronies! Big business, Big Banks, Big Oil, all have taken their toll on the American dream. Mitt Romney reeks of Big Business, and corporate profits! BTW Chester Rook - I am a 47% who dedicated 37 years to the US Army, and am now collecting my well earned pension!
Lyle Hughart October 05, 2012 at 12:54 AM
People forget that the reason that Clinton was able to show a "balanced budget " was due to the Republican controled house. Under Clinton spending fo the military was cut to the bone and an explosion in the value of the stock market, that was fueled by tech stocks produce a large increase in tax revenue. When Bush took office the Tech Bubble burst and the stock amrket crashed leading to a recession. Then the Trade Center buildings were destroyed. ALL DEMOCRATS (but one) VOTED FOR THE ACTIONS THAT FOLLOWED: war in Afganistan and Iraq. Under Clinton a law was passed that required banks to make loans to those who would not previously qualify. The banks were willing to do this BECAUSE Fanny MAe and Freddie MAc would purchase those loans, regardless of the quality. During the Bush years he tried to restrain the FM and FM and to make them accountable to Congress. That did not happen. Unfortunately the major banks & other financial institutions devised a way of selling "junk mortages" that made trhe problem much worse. Thus the collapse of the housing market, which caused the recession, is the fault of the Democrats and the Republicans.! The Democrats actually took control of Congress in 2007 and had control for 4 years. It is true that Obama inherited a real problem. BUT he new we were in a recession and yet he made rosey promises that he did not or could not keep. The real problem today is can either party come close to delivering on the promises they are now making.
Lyle Hughart October 05, 2012 at 01:06 AM
The House has passed many "jobs bills" which the leaders in the Senate are afraid to bring up for a vote. President Obama talks about taxing the rich. In his own budget that tax increase amounts to 0.7% of one percent, a relatively tiny amount. Yet he makes it sound like it will finance all of his giveaways. President Obama talks about the tax breaks for BIG OIL. Those tax breaks go mostly to the small oil companies. That tax break is $2.8 bil per year. Yet President Obama gave a $90.0 bil tax break to the wind and solar firms, some of whom went broke costing millions of tax dollars paid by the middle class as well as the wealthy. Now I am not condemming the president for pushing wind and solar power, but he distorts the truth in his favor. A good example is the rich do not pay their fair share which is 50% of the total income tax. If tell a high school or a college student, who gets straight "A"'s that she\he have to give some of their "A"'s to the "D" students what do you think their answer would be? Would that be fair?

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