For the crimes these young deranged adults have committed in our society,they better rot behind bars,if there is a judge in Will County that lets these 4 off on an easy sentence,then he/she needs to rot behind bars!My condolences goes out to the families of these victims.

I know one of these young people ....Bethany Mckee,,I went to highschool with her my freshman year at joliet west, she comes from a troubled home but that is not freaking excuse for this horrible act that was commited. Bethany is a SINGLE mother, she has a daughter that is about one years of age. I hope that God be with her daughter and that she doesnt suffer because of the choices her mother made that night! My Condolences to the Families who lost their loved ones that night!

My heart goes out to those 2 families who have a loss to them . I live in this neighborhood all my 65 years and still cannot believe this has happened . Whats very sad is the traffic that continues since Thursday , cars riding by what the hell for what do you think you are going to see , its a house like any other house except there was a horrible crime there . I just cannot believe people riding by and taking pictures, What is the point really .

Come on people, Barb wants you to stay off "HER STREET"! What the hell you think you're going to see...it's only a house...the SAME HOUSE BARB IS GAWKING AT but when you stop and take pictures, you're obstruction BARB'S view of "IT'S ONLY A HOUSE"!!!

only god and the judge can judge in the end!

My question is, How many of these kids are from a single mother home?

When you figure it out Colt45 let me know!!

Hi Colt45: When you get a chance read 2 Timothy 3:1-5 and then verse 13. Bible is being fulfilled. Without this knowledge it can be confusing when something like this happens. Satan is very busy and we have to fight against him to do right.

@ssssskip, Your question is irrelevant and actually insulting. And to be politically correct, you should've written "single parent home". Feral animals will commit murder whether they have 1 parent or 2 parents.
I have seen kids grow up in a 'single parent home' to be fine up standing citizens as I have also seen kids from a 2 parent home grow to be complete mongrels. So therefore your question has no basis.

Drugs, mental problems, no decent upbringing, one parent family's ... no fathers, inbreeding, etc.....etc..........etc............

Ssssskip, I am a single mother who raised 4 beautiful, wonderful law abiding hard working kids. They are all raised, 3 married, and they have children.And I might add, ALL have good jobs and are homeowners. Being a single mother is a rough road however, If you instil the right morals and values it is a rewarding job. I don't find it fair to pick on single mothers in general. But my children were very involved with their father, and to this day, we all have a good relationship. It's the girls that get pregnant, and expect the state to take care of them, is the problem..Some of these babies born don't stand snowballs chance in hell, Being a single mother, is a life made of sacrafices that in my case was so well worth it.

These are NOT kids...get that straight...these are adults and should be tried as such....they grow up on Texas Chainsaw Massacre, ect. o...isn't cute? NO...it isn't....these poor mothers, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins, grand parents, friends and loved ones who will NEVER see their loved ones again...shame on this society for raising this trash...shame .....

Dear ssssskip, It matters not if they came from single mother homes! There THOUSANDS of kids in this country who come from single parent homes that DO NOT commit this kind of crime or any other crimes for that matter !I raised two son's and a daughter after my divorce and I did it alone! My oldest son is a sniper in an AirBorne Infantry Unit for 20 yrs now. My youngest son works full time as a Sgt for the Will County Sheriffs Dept and my daughter is a psychologist. They were not allowed to hang out in the streets, they had a curfew and I knew who their friends were and where they were at all times. It has nothing to do with married or single, mom or dad. It has EVERYTHING to do with how well the parents PARENT!! I think you owe the single parents out there an appology for your stupidity and ignorance!!!

SSSSSKIP
what does being from a "single mother home" have to do with this?

90% of the prison population are from single mother homes.

I come from a single mother house hold (there were three of us...our father died young) and I was a single mother for 8 years until I married....let me tell you. That has very little to do with it. It's up to the parent (single or otherwise) to do their very best by that child. Please don't forget in the majority of the single mother cases it's the man that has decided to walk away while the mother has decided to take on the hardest job in the world. Don't take your time to write a comment that is thoughtless. These people were adults that made a decision that ended two beautiful lives. Therefore instead of looking at their house hold statistics at the moment....pray that they are not let back out into society to interact with you and the the rest of the population again.

Sandy - ssssskip - Cassandra ------ Love did NOT mention a da*m thing about anyone being raised by a single parent!!!
Don't people in IL. know how to read and respond to a comment????

Kitzer,Your remark was rude and down right stupid. They just replied to the wrong person. Telling people in IL they cant read or write comment's,just shows your a A$$. They are trying to talk about a very sad killing,and you have to throw in your rude remarks. Hate to ask what state your from Mr Brain.

They need to be sentenced to death. Not life in prison. Apparently these four were in the process of dismembering these two young men. The Police said is was a heinous brutal crime scene. I can only imagine. I can only imagine the suffering and horror to be attacked by four people knowing they're going to murder. Over money. Put them to death.

So doesn't that mean where the hell are the dads? You must be a man.

I don't know the victims personally but I live in the next town over and I have friends who know them and this is so sick.. To think 3 young adults under the age of 21 and then a sicko with child porn can do these horrible things.... i wonder what happened like they are all hanging out and then just plan to rob the guys.. I bet the victim sold drugs.. sorry to the family but why would u rob a reg person they wont have much money on them.. but u can def lure a drug dealer over and rob them and make out pretty good too i would think...I wonder what went wrong.. How they ended up killing them... I heard some pretty sick details that aren't in the press that are just seriously "fucked" up its really really fucked up and those sick individuals need to be locked up forever! Because they knew exactly what they were doing and the actions after the murders are disgusting,not just the attempt to dismember there is more...how they could do such a sick thing is just mind blowing to me... Seriously death penalty for what they did... The fact that they could murder try to dismember, and then do the other things that happened that arent released, and just go back to partying is pretty interesting like possibly this isn't the first time they have done this... And in my eyes they can't be rehabilitated they are just Sick Fucking People!!!!

Weren't those 2 victims athletes and weren't 2 of the 4 conspirators girls. I would think those 2 victims could have easily overpowered all 4 of the conspirators, cause even the 2 male conspirators didn't look very physically imposing. I was shocked that they physically strangled both of them. Those blacks are big wimps and cowards, the 2 colored boys probably were so scared and screaming like women. Those 2 black boys were probably defecating in their pants from fear and crying like girls. Blacks scare real easy, they act all tough but are terrified of Whites. Once again the colored proves he's the White's Beeeotch forever and is not a man and will never be a man, cause if they were they would have whipped those 4 clowns butts. The cowardly effeminate black man and those 2 cowardly effeminate black boys choked 2 death, what a bunch of little bitched.

paul redzovic,

I am disgusted with the crimes committed, but even more disgusted that there are people like you who have the nerve to blame the victims. How racist can you be..... Blacks scare more that whites, calling them wimps and cowards and insinuating that whites are Superior, who do you think you are... I am as white as they come, but my heart goes out to the victims and there families here. Skin color has nothing to do with it. White or black, murder is wrong and a victim is a victim. As you sit there and bash these poor victims for the color of their skin, you failed to mention that the sick individuals who took these men's lives, and engaged in sexual act atop their corpses were white. They are the coward, wimps and, as you said about the victims, will be "so scared and screaming like women, defecating in their pants from fear and crying like girls" when they realize their lives will be spent staring at bars and they have become the jail house "bitches". To end this post I would like to say that everyone, black, white, big or small, we are all capable of good, bad and evil. We are all equal and deserve to be treated as such. When hurt we all bleed RED, a victim is a victim regardless of the color of their skin. Your mind seems just as corrupt as the people who orchestrated this crime. Makes me sick to my stomach knowing there are still people out there who don't realize we are ONE RACE.... Human......

they werent

When the States Attorney files charges, there are multiple statutes that may apply to the crime. In most cases, the States Attorney will file an allegation according to each statute that applies. For example, if I punch someone on a sidewalk, I can be charged with Battery, a misdemeanor, for making contact of an insulting and provoking nature. Plus I can be charged with Aggravated Battery because I punched this person "on a public way." So, with this case, there are multiple statues that apply to the way the murders occurred. That is why there are multiple charges for each act. Does this make sense?

When there are multiple acts that would have taken the life of a victim then there are multiple charges of the same crime...i.e. shooting someone two times - thus two counts of agg asslt w/weapon or murder if he dies

According to news reports Eric Glover was arrested by Joliet Police in Dec. 2009 on charges of aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, unauthorized possession of a firearm, unauthorized possession of ammunition and marijuana possession.

Clutche, what does an alleged mistake Eric made when he was 18 or 19 have to do with Josey M's experience with him? I knew him through football and he did a lot of growing up in the time I knew him,

Clutche you seriously have problems...may I ask whats on your background? These people committed a crime far worse than any of the victums misdemeanors. I really dont understand what kind of person you are? Father? Drug Dealer? Pedophile? Murder?Rapist? A member of Kkk? Since you always have an opinion tell us a little about yourself?

clutche, forget your friends, think about what thye did. Any derogatory comments send out to the murderers....not the victims!

@clutche that is why they put that s**t in the paper. So people like you would repeat s**t like that. They were murdered then cut open and from what I'm hearing it gets worse than that. Why not look up the stuff you'll see on Josh. I wish Eric had a weapon on him to defend himself. I think it may even be illegal to carry a knife after that. You have no idea how many times the police stopped me and I had more than one knife on myself. They ask why do I have so many. Just in case something happens and I drop it or it gets taken from me, I'll have the opportunity to grab the 2nd or 3rd. Joliet is rough depending on where you are. Not everybody has the same things going in their lives, or sometimes you get threatened for no reason, or jumped, or you were just born on the wrong street. You cannot tell a damn thing from one report about something. I went to a school and it was hell every day. My husband told me he didn't know how I made it thru because he is black and it was hell for him. If I was like I am now way back then, things would have went very bad for me and my family. And the marijuana possession, um, like 90% of the world smokes weed, so don't judge the story by one newspaper reporter who will post stuff about black people and not the full story on white people. Did you see josh's child pornography charges? Did you read what he did to his old girlfriends? How he beat one into miscarriage 3 times? Look stuff up before you take a bias reporter's word. The plot thickens.

i heard that too

Ur a dumb ass... U should keep that to yourself.. I know the same things but I didn't share them with everyone!!

Your just a criminal who wants a cop's (who didnt let u go for your crimes ) kid to be punished shut up your an idiot... Cops don't just start harassing people... You have to be a criminal to be harassed and at that point u deserve everything u have coming to you... And joliet cops def don't just fuck with people for fun.. I have never come into contact with a joliet police officer and I drive all around there everyday, everywhere... So shut up and cleanup your act and maybe cops will leave u alone.... And Death Penalty For These Sick Kids

So anyone who committed a crime should just be harassed for no reason? Shouldn't your idiot self have said you have to be in the act of a committing a crime to deserve to be harassed, which in fact should actually be confronted by the police? And I didn't see them put anything about being harassed, just treated the same, ie no leniency. They didn't put anything about themselves being involved in anything. What is wrong with you? Are you just here to try to serve everyone with a negative opinion about these murderers? Were they your kids? stfu

Hopefully Drew Peterson will take him under his wing when he gets to prison.

Concerned, you too are a person that needs to be watched.Police in this town need to be concerned about YOU. watch out for him he sounds like he could also be a killer

I have four pardons waiting for them. It's not their fault. This wouldn't have happened if the rich would pay their fair share.

The reason it is not on the news is because guns were not used. Therefore it can not push forward the agenda to disarm all American citizens.

Exactly, why isn't this on the national news, if it had been white kids killed it would have
Two african american young men killed by white kkk members does not deserve national news. the ordasity

SEE AINT NOBODY EVEN GIVE IT TIME TO AIR. IT WAS ON THE CHICAGO NEWS. IT AIRED TODAY, AT LEAST I SEEN IT TODAY ON THE NEWS. SHIT DONT BECOME NATIONAL RIGHT THEN AND THERE. IT TAKES A LIL TIME FOR EVERY STATE TO AIR THE STORY. NOTHING EVER HAPPENS OVER NIGHT. REMEMBER THAT. AND TO THE DUMBASS TALKIN BOUT 90% OF JAIL POPULATION IS OF PPLE WHO WERE RAISED IN A SINGLE PARENT HOME, U REALLY NEED A REALITY CHECK AND A PSYCHIATRIST CUZ IF U THINK DAT THEN U HAVE A MENTAL PROBLEM JUS AS FUCKED UP AS THE FOUR DERANGED, UNETHICAL, IMMORAL, EVIL, DEVIOUS, MANIPULATIVE, TRAILOR TRASH, KKK AS BITCHES WHO DID THE HORRIBLE SHIT. THEY BETTER B LUCKY ILLINOIS DONT CARRY THE DEATH PENALTY CUZ THEY SURE WOULD GET IT NO DOUBT. MY CONDOLENCES GOES OUT TO THE FAMILIES OF THE VICTIMS. AS FOR THE FOUR ANIMALS THAT DID THIS, I HOPE U ROT IN JAIL AND EVERY BLACK PERSON IN THERE SODOMIZE YOU AND MAKE U FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE LIKE THE VICTIMS HAD 2 BUT UNFORTUNATELY, DIDNT SUCCEED. CUZ TRUST AND BELIEVE....U GONE GET YOURS CUZ KARMA IS A BITCH AND WILL FUCK U IN THE ASS WIT NO GREASE!

I do believe its wrong to retailiate against the family but all 4 of these suspects do not need a free pass. They all had something to do with it. So it serves them right to all be sentenced equally. The four will point the fingers at each other so the truth will never come out. Honestly they need to be sentenced to life in prison. But we all know how that works. Just think these young men were black and if it was them whom committed the crime what would have happened? I sure cannot wait to see. My prayers are with everyone at this time.

Wrong place at the wrong time is a lame excuse. All 4 are charged with murder. I think you can point your finger at them now.

They will all be wrongfully sent to prison, the murders were really committed by a one armed man! Wrong place, wrong time, ha!

With arms, they ARE ALL four to blame, weather they participated or not. One could have tried to stop or flee and get help, not go back home then call when it is already over. ALL IS TO BlAME PERIOD. How dare you say wrong place wrong time! Four troubled kids committed murder.

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thank you!!! i am related to one of the suspects. no one really knows what happened in that house that night.

Shut UP they were all 4 there witnessed the murders and did nothing to prevent them
SHUT UP

I am gonna make sure I tell everyone I know about this horrific crime. I hope they rot in hell ALL FOUR OF THEM. since its not making the national news I will be the news. 4 WHite Adults murdered 2 Young African American Men in joliiet IL at 1121 N Hickory st
And allegedly had sex on their dead bodies. Spread the word. White people kill too..

miss p watch the news at 5pm, it will be on then. so you know how this works, you dont just spread a rumor and it hits the news, there has to be a release before the news media can publicize it. I am so sick of people having to throw the race thing. It was cruel, it was heinous, the KILLERS ARE WHITE, the VICTIMS WERE BLACK....happy. it doesn't matter what damn color you are, a crime is a crime, this was totally disgusting. Lets just talk as human beings....OK

That's terrible it isn't your fault and any decent person would not blame or retaliate against the wrong people... I'm very sorry that your family is going thru this too but I am more sorry to the victims family because they will never get to see what their loved one could have become

Concerned you are a sick indivual

The biggest tragedy is that you typed "wiff" instead of "with".

hmmmm may i ask where you CHILDREN are coming up with sex on the bodies there was no mention of sex on bodies nor $20. looks like your not that speechless to be writing something like this, two weeks i would hardly call that a boyfriend maybe a fling.

I am not a child and I also heard the unreleased info about male and female bodily fluids found on the victim, which point towards them having sex on the victim after death... This was from an official source that cannot be named... Considering the severity of the crime and the actions the proceeded it, these young adults should be given at least life in prison, the fact that they could just continue to go about their day is sick. Throw in dismemberment and sex acts on top of the dead bodies and it's like we are in some sick horror movie that I don't want to I watch anymore.. Wtf is wrong with people these days

Melanie Mathews
1:11 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Ur a dumb ass... U should keep that to yourself.. I know the same things but I didn't share them with everyone!!
and then this...who is the dumb ass now?

their Pupils are also dialated yeah i would say drugs... hmmmm wonder who the dealers were???

Somebody needs to call the police on concerned does anyone know him. seek help
you so and so

The dealers were your momma

No the reason is because WHITE KIDS KILLED BLACK KIDS thats why

Sayitagain!!!!

My thoughts, exactly, Clutche.

Whatever happened to grammatically correct English sentences?

I hope these four ANIMALS get treated like animals when they are jailed for life.

U need to get a life!!!!

As your school never taught manners? Appropriate language to use while communicating? You are more than likely a lonely man...no family....is that the problem Clutche? No one loves you? And I wonder why?

I agree, Clutche. It is very sad.

You can not blame the joliet schools when some of us have turned out just fine. It is ignorant for the herald news to post about erics past. I was in sports at joliet and so was he. Never disrespectful to me or my son and will always be remember. The 2 victims familiesare in my prayers as well as the families who have murders as children.

Agreed, Clutche. Ctrl + F "wiff" for exhibit A.

you really need to stop writing your ignorance all over this you think cutting people down is making the issue at hand any better. sounds to me we might have another psycho to worry about.

It sounds like someone is unhappy withe their own life. we may be dealing with another psycho. No matter what Eric and his friend terrance did not deserve to die such a horrible death.

WHY DON'T YOU GET A LIFE. This is real and you're acting as tho this is some kind of joke. I don't know who you are and thank God for that. Can you get over all your negative comments and look at this as being serious. There were 2 young men brutally murder. Families left mourning and still is. Regardless if these vicims had a rap shet as long as hell WHAT GIVE ANYONE A RIGHT TO TAKE THEIR LIVES? You are one insensitive, ignorant and heartless individuals and that needs to be banned for making anymore comment on this or any other sight where human well being is concern. I hope to God you have no children. You actually sound like you could be capable of the same hedious crimes these 4 people committed. To tell you the truth I don't feel safe knowing your're walking around Joliet.
My deepest sorrows goes out to both families of the victims.

To bad the victims were not shot, it would have been more humane.

The reason it is not on the news is because guns were not used. Therefore it can not push forward the agenda to disarm all American citizens.

im a latino who lives in plainfield and i am so sick of this tragedy nobody has the right to take someones life no matter who you are and it should be dealt with the most extreme matter lets see how our judicial systems act on this because if this was my son who got killed i want justice not a slap on the hand its so sad that we in a society that still have issues of all races come on were talking about two human beings who were murdered so how would you react if that was your son or how would you feel one never knows untill the shoe is on the other foot my prayers and thoughts go out to all the families on this tragedy

ya never know though maybe one of them didnt know these two bodies were dead in the house may of came after the fact. no one knows the facts of the story.

I agree I believe Bethany called the police. She should have had the heart to stop this from happening. I pray she didnt have her daughter with her.

My heart goes out to the families of these two young men. May god bless you and keep you strong.

If that was my son as hard as it would be , he would get no help from me . I will be in your corner, right or wrong ,with the exception of murder ! You'll always love them but theres no way I can condone murder, even if it is my child .

Exactly. It's hard enough to know that your child is involved in something like this. I could never imagine feeling what all of these parents are feeling; the loss of a child and knowing that your child is lost to you. It's heart breaking.

So very very sorry for the family, then wonder where I went wrong!

Have you shared your proof with the police?

Coming from myself and friends of mine who actually knew these people, the last thing they worshiped was any devil. No excuses. They were kids that made a really stupid decision, plain and simple, and now they have to pay the consequences.

Hey LaLa, no, it's still in the pudding. Eric's comment reminds me of an acquaintance, sad to say.

Why do you deny the obvious? Why are you afraid of the truth? Satanic rituals are done by sick people. These jerks “sick in the head” you say? Agreed.

NO kill them on national television so we all can see.

As you stated "we will always have murders,thieves,rapists..and even people who basiclly kill for fun" is exactly why we should have the right to conceal/carry.

For sure 100%

We are not having a debate about the right to defend yourself. Most people agree there should be tighter controls on background checks and a ban on high capacity magazines and assault weapons.

You can't say most people because you have one opinion and that is not the same as everyone else's opinion. The right to bare arms will always be a huge debate. There are people from very different parts of society who have the same opinions, as well as those with the opposite, and some who don't care one way or the other.

AMEN brother...

unfortunately you are correct

I'm wondering if we can start a petition for either the death penalty, or life without parole in solitary confinement. If they killed like this once, they will again. I read that he's in jail bragging about it right now.

Completely agree.

And WE the taxpayers will pay 39K a year to keep these pigs alive!

How and why is Julie a disgrace? Her son made a decision that we all know was wrong and sick. I know Julie and her entire family. Julie is a wonderful person. Raised her children well. As we have all been told not many details are going to be given out. She had nothing to do with this. There are sick people out there. I pray for the victims and their families and to the families of the suspects. It was a gruesome act of violence but this just goes to show that people are capable of killing others with or without guns. Miss Big Booty who are you to judge? Why should she be reprimanded for something she did not do? Her son will be treated just as the others will. Maybe you should look in a mirror before you say things. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Dumb broads always putting the blame on the wrong person ! His mother didn't kill nobody .

Figures someone with the name "Miss Big Booty" would say something like that. Stay classy with your online name,

She raised her children well..... except for the one who is a murderer.

Why is she a disgrace? She wasn't there. Why is it when something bad happens,people right away want to blaime the parent. Parents can't control their kids actions 24/7. You don't know this Julie to know how she raised her son. I feel for her,this has to be heart breaking. I'm lucky my kids are all adults now and never in trouble. But not everyone is that lucky. Prayers to all families involved in this.

Booty, what makes her a disgrace? You do the best you can with what you have. I'm sure he was not trained by her to be a killer. We all know, as kids, there are times we don't listen to our parents...and hide things from them. Don't bother posting anything more out of that big booty.

Can't wait to hear about Miss BIG Booty's children and their future police records

Even Drew Peterson thinks she's a bad cop!

Julie isn't to blame - she couldn't handle Adam and dumped him on his grandparents years ago.

I agree with saaaafrass

@ sassafrass did u read wat u just wrote? U r truly a DUMB@SS!!! If she so called raised her children right then why did her son kill these two men? If he was raised right then he would have never committed or was ever involved in the crime. DUH STUPID!!!

Obviously Miss big booty you are just running your mouth. Julie is a wonderful person and a great parent. Her son made a bad choice, not her. We are all given a free will...no mater how well we raise our children, they will still make their own choices. We just have to pray that they will make good choices, not life damaging choices.

This is a time when parents should be talking to their children about choices and what happens when you make bad choices. Unfortunately four individuals made bad choices and now their families are affected as well. We need to pray for all the families.

We need to pray for our nation too. America is filled with individuals that have no regard to life. Eric and Terrance were children of God. We mourn for the loss of life and share in their families grief. But how many of us would not have batted an eye if 22 years ago if they were aborted. We are teaching our children to be murders and have no regard for life every time we turn a blind eye to abortion.

We need to ask ourselves, what can I do to make this society better. Rather that blame others, let's look at ourselves and take responsibility. When we see troubled teens in the street strike up a conversation and let them know they are loved instead of casting down judgement.

We cannot turn back the hands of time, but we can change the future. Let's stop looking down at others and show love and compassion. "he that is without sin, cast the first stone"!

@Formereastside how do you know that? If that is true, then her being a police officer, should have had her be more strict and sent his ass to boot camp instead of dropping a load on her parents. Being a police officer has got to be tough. Especially since they work so much and so many hours. It would not be easy to raise kids if she were alone, not saying she is, or was, I do not know them at all.

And the accused families

@ clutche u stupid retarded kkk trailor trash faggot @ss b!tch u need to rot n hell right with those 4 KILLERS. The victims aint do nothin but try to have a good time with some white people that they though were cool but instead got set up and killed for a lil money! How dare you I dont give a damn if u are family of one of the animals, that just makes u an animal as well that need to be caged! U better not ever reveal who u r or u just might b next to b deceased cuz u rubbing a lot of pple the wrong way....im jus sayin.....

Of which scum bags do you speak?

Thank you. Some just can"t handle the truth and how it may have influenced the situation.

Go to hell

u a dumb bitch too YOUAGAIN!!! How do u kno they had weed on them u faggot!? NOBODY KNOWS WAT REALLY HAPPENED OR WAT WHO HAD WITH YALL UNEDUCATED SIMPLE MINDED ASS BITCHES. ALL U HOES SOME KKK TRAILOR PARK TRASH. EVERYBODY KNOW THAT JOLIET HAS A HUGE TRAILOR PARK COMMUNITY....

Val mus be sum projects trash the way she be jumpin everbody here.... she need to go hit her crack pipe and chill... dumb beotch...

Hey valb you need to shut the fuck up with that bull shit. Just because people are jack asses does not mean that they are kkk or from a trailer park. Most of the time it's the rich ones that look down on the lower income people, or have you not stepped out of the hood lately? Going to school online does not make you educated. You truly sound uneducated.
But also to you again, you might want to read the hateful stuff that clutche puts up here. Maybe he is the same person, with about 4 profiles, because the more that I read, the more that he, and a whole bunch of people all sound the same. Then again, small minds think alike. People really need to be able to speak more properly, on both sides of this issue. It's really stupid how people think, and cannot form correct sentences. I can agree that these people on here make it seem that everybody from Joliet are either project trash or trailer trash, but still, I dare any of you to step out in public and say these things to another person's face. I bet it would not happen.

In the Holy bible even god told Moses to kill all of the followers that created a golden idol and worshiped it....according to the people who follow the Koran killing innocent people is justified...religion has caused more killings,suicide bombers,sexual cover ups than anything in history..

agreed meagan

Well still no answer to my question. 90% of the prison population are from single mother homes. How many of these kids mothers decided their chidren did'nt need their father?

@ssssskip you should be wondering how many men didn't step up to the plate with that 90% of the prison population . Stop acting like the mothers told those men to leave her struggling with a kid and not to worry about them or how they lived ,eat or have clothes on their backs ! YOU NEED TO STOP

ssssskip, where are you getting your stats from? I'm just curious. Also, are you saying that all single mothers are single mothers because they "decided their children didn't need" their father, regardless of context? In any case, just from one of the articles I read, they quoted Alisa's father, meaning she has one around. So your stats are off in this situation, even if they're technically only being held currently. We have people commenting blaming video games and insane clown posse, and while none of us here are actually experts on this event or the people involved, or even psychology in general, I find it even more silly to boil this all down to single mothers.

susie q, you beat me to the punch!

I didn't have a father in my life, a single mother. I'm not a murderer

You ever heard of father's rights? If the fathers really cared if the mom decided it was better that they were not involved then why did they not take her to court? Who the hell are you to keep trying to blame single mothers all the time? Do you think the moms were next to their kids with every crime taunting their children telling them to commit crimes? What the hell is wrong with you? You don't know what free will is?

they all look like they are on drugs.

Of course they were on drugs. Would 4 kids in their right minds go along with this plan unless they were on drugs? Doubtful.

I'd bet an autopsy would show all 6 were on drugs... oh, wait, Eric was a fine young man... too bad, you are part of who you hang around with... if they were hanging with this trash, well.... you get my drift....

It simply reveals his background and perhaps influenced who he hung around and ultimately cost him his life. You hang with bad people and bad things will happen.

Doesn't murder itself indicate hate...so what's your point?

Bethany looks like she has a mixed child...idk how she could hate people of a different color when her child was one.

I AGREE YES YES YES. klklk

I believe MissP is dumber than a box of rocks...

MIXED CHILD, IF SHE HADN'T HAD A MIXED CHILD THES BLACK YOUNG MEN WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN TARGETED

Obviously he was involved in more than sports or he wouldn't have been in that home.

CLUTCHE U IGNORANT FAGGOT ASS BITCH, WTF DOES HIM BEING IN THAT HOME HAS 2 DO WITH HIM PLAYING SPORTS? SO U HAVE 2 B DOIN SOMETHIN ILLEGAL 2 HANG OUT AT SOMEBODYS HOUSE? KID GET A CLUE, PSYCHIATRIST, AND A EDUCATION CUZ OBVIOUSLY U HAVE A PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEM WITH IRRATIONAL REASONING AND U SERIOUSLY NEED 2 GET IT ADDRESSED ASAP B4 U END UP EITHER LIKE YO PATHETIC RACIST ANIMAL ASS FAMILY OR THE VICTIMS AND AT DA RATE UR GOIN...ITS LOOKIN MORE LIKE DA VICTIMS IF U HAVE THE BALLS 2 REVEAL WHO U REALLY ARE BIPOLAR BASTARD.

Hey Val you retard why don't you wake up and smell the coffee. These two were invited into this home. They knew these 4 morons and hung with them. You become part of what you are around. You hang with dope heads and thieves, you yourself will be part of that. While they didn't deserve to die, they were not fine upstanding young men. Their records and the people they hung around with shows it.

Sorry to say you are dumb and wrong, but you are. If these two boys were clean as you say they were, they wouldn't have been over to visit. They would have had something better to do. You are clueless to life in general. Go watch Oprah you dumb bitch.

@glock, maybe you need to shut the fuck up. You don't know how to read? they were 'lured' into the house you dumb bitch. How about you take the dick out of your throat and swallow the truth? You all keep trying to put this shit on the victims, but they were killed. You never heard of people just wanting to kill someone, and they will kill the first person they can? Keep reading, and maybe go watch the trial in person as it unfolds, so maybe before you keep talking shit behind your anonymity, you'll realize that blaming the fucking victims is not such a correct way to look at it. Maybe something like this will happen to your stupid ass one day so that when you're dying you can look back on this conversation and say to yourself, "Damn, now I understand," right before it fades to black. You're a fucking retard. Keep reading, you'll run across the fucking comment somewhere that I read on one of these pages where someone is saying that Josh is in jail right now bragging about this shit and hopes to plead insanity. You're a fucking idiot.

You're wrong on both points. They didn't deserve to die for sure but they chose to go to that home and associate with bad people.

of course most of the people leaving these posts are racist, talking about the deceased, shame on you, drugs they are dead, Maybe one of them liked the white girl who house they were killed in

Of course most people responding to these posts are racists... kinda like MissP

Yes! Take out the violent video games (which every major country has, except Australia) and plug in the Ten Commandments. Teach the children of the one who murdered the first born of every home that didn't slaughter an animal and smear it's blood over their doors.

You do realize that the bible has just as much violence as almost all video games right? And much of it is so much more disturbing.

People were killing mutilating bodies,chopping them up,burning them,...way way before the video games and music every one likes to blame...look how many generations grew up playing video games..some are millionaires,some are junkies,some are just people who work go home and play video games with their kids who get great grades,very smart,..well educated and more mature..why? Becaus while your sitting there playing video games you get to talk to your child and get to know what they are thinking...sports? Your not sitting there with your kids their busy playing sports while your watching and in the end it is about winning or losing the sport...talking and education...with learning how your kid thinks is what it is all about...and even then no parent can be sure that their kids will do right...because in the end we are our own selves..and we make our own decisions...no matter who our parents are...

YOU PEOPLE BETTER WATCH CONCERNED IF YOU KNOW WHO THAT PERSON IS YOU BETTER START PAYING ATTENTION THAT IS A SICK INDIVUAL

agreed

They are accused of killing two black men. What race comprises the overwhelming majority of inmates? Don't think they will survive too long.

Yes, one is from a previous arrest

It doesn't even look like the same person, to me anyways.

There are 2 pages for Adam Landerman in joliet. The one you posted just showed up recently. It wasn't there yesterday

There is also 2 pages for Bethany. Someone could have made a fake page, easily.

Did they fake the photo of him toking on a bowl?

Makes you wonder what kind of home all these kids were raised in that they could do something like this.

Religious people can rarely have a conversation about these things though. They will spam the same things over and over and over again and then..... when they get called out on absolutely everything they say as being illogical, hypocritical and such, they just say you have to have faith and you can just go to hell. It really is sad. I love to have conversations with my personal friends about religion, but for whatever reason, if it's someone you don't personally know or someone on-line, it's impossible to discuss.

Go read 1 Cor 13 for awhile, it'll do ya good.

Look atheist---there are two things I know for sure. 1) There is a God. 2) It isn't me. So you need to deal with your issues between you and Him. I refuse to be drawn into your silly ramblings. It does not pertain to the subject @ hand.

Hitler was a known atheist. Read his book. He did not believe in God. He was a committed no-hope atheist. Atheists have no beliefs and no hope. If you say Hitler wasn't an atheist, you're either ignorant or a liar.

I would respond but I can't understand what the heck you're trying to say.

He obviously means, before anyone start believe against you, comments are made to clippings when murderers kill getting people.

Sheesh.

What picture are you looking at? He looks like a monster.

You must need glasses , that kid looks like he's mad at the world .

um, yeah, except for the fact that he looks like a psycho dope fiend....

Can't blame the parents for everything. These people were all adults. Made their own decisions.

Sadly, too many parents are wrapped up in their own lives and do a piss poor job of raising their kids.

Why don't you provide the links?

See what I mean? Where were the parents???

Here's some free punctuation for you to use with your next post, Cobler.

..!.?.,,.!

LOL @ Balls

lmao @balls I know that people can blame this on the Joliet public schools system, but I went to Washington and I'm pretty straight, it all falls on the parents. Even though my mom was stupid in life, she was real book smart, and all of everything prepared me for real life. You can blame this whole problem on parental guidance.

Probably raised similarly to you.....you just made better choices.

Lack of parental involvement, that's for sure.

OOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BURN!!!

WHAT?! WHAT?!

That's what I thought. YOU GOT NOTHING!

Also...... It should be, "My bad, Kia." You forgot the comma and the period. Looks like someone didn't go to private school.

You better learn to spell and compose a sentence before you write a book.

Joliet public schools have failed miserably...

aww ok clutche now we all kno who u related 2 cuz everytime someone makes a statement about miner u get offended u talk mad shit over the internet but I bet $1,000 yo KKK ass wouldnt dare say all dis shit 2 all our faces....bet that bitch...

@vincent. I totally agree with you but if u notice that the main culprit of these shenanigans is CLUTCHE. he is antagonizing the situation because he is related to miner so he is the main one fueling the fire that everyone has right now...

An atheist is a man who believes himself an accident.

Hmmmm, seems to me that logic is your god. Let's not make this about your atheism, and your sarcastic wit, how about it? You are quite judgmental. Who says offering prayers is ignorant, besides you? Christopher Hitchens---so what? People who pray CARE. And we believe God hears.

Muha you are on point. I totally agree.

OH MY GOD! BLASPHAMY

Nevertheless, atheist, you are in for a big surprise in the end---"no expectations" notwithstanding. You are truly the beneficiary of patient and forgiving God. Just be thankful I am not He, cuz you'd be toast about now! :D

Brenda you are correct. Tomorrow is not promise to us. I am 50 years old. I have kids at the age of 20, 14,13 and 10. I am a praying mother. My faith is that God cover my family and other family just as well. We all need God covering. Man will object, that why I love my God. He give us a choice. My prayer is for the family who lost there love one. God don't care what they done. He except them just the way they are if they just receive him. Brenda I know where you coming from when it come to your own.Don't let fear take over because God is in control. Once again man will reject the true.May God bless you and your family and those that read this.

Clutche I have no comment. I want to give my respect to the family. May God bless you.

I certainly respect your opinion and I hope your beliefs are never put to the test by a random crime. And I'm not the one who brought up ethnicity, but I did respond with FBI facts about the volume of crimes committed by race in response to her biased comments.

And, no, I'm not a thrill seeker and I have never once believed that I was entitled to anything. I'm a law-abiding, hard-working, tax-paying citizen who contributes to society unlike some of the people involved with this crime.

As to a person's past and the company they keep; my point was if you hang around with bad people, put yourself in bad situations, bad things will happen. And why he would put trust and faith in those four known drug users is a mystery, but at his age he should have known better.

I always think before I speak, but I'm a straight shooter and don't sugar-coat the facts which obviously upsets you and others that aren't in touch with reality.

Technically you're right. This is a forum and by it's nature brings people together for discussion. But the subject in this particular forum, alleged murder; victims, perpetrators, violent nature, drugs, poverty, single parents, mental illness, race and punishment are lightning rods that divide not unite.

And your snide glass house remark is a prime example of how a discussion of this sort can prompt a devote Catholic to make judgements about those he/she doesn't even know.

And I don't think you, I or anyone else can say with certainty how we would react if it was our own child that was murdered. The only thing for sure is that your faith would be put to the ultimate test.

Looking for more bodies?

You think this is the only crime in Joliet? Really??

josh

I read some where that the blonde kid with the short mohawk is Miner from a previous arrest.

I say the same Eric, If they bring that back along with 4 o'clock hanging we would not have as many heinous crimes.

I so agree with Debi Krause, this state of Illinois is God Awful,

Colt45, exactly, and it won't change for at least another 3 years. If Obama did a better job community organizing he just may have made, at least, a good president.

I agree too, but getting Quinn out will not help bring back the death penalty. The liberals own this state, and there is not a democrat in Illinois with the guts or the brains to even consider that.

This appears to be a clear case of premeditated murders by competent adults. In a just society they would all drop through the trap door at the same time.

Adultpower--why don't you act like one? Posting you have a crush on KIA? A bit off the subject don't you think? And yes, people are having kids when they can not afford them. One of the criminals has a child and is involved in the death of two people for a few dollars?

That family did not do enough to help that kid with a mental illness, he should've been helped a long time ago. I hope they can they sleep at night.

Jack,
You are very unaware of the extent the family went to to help their child with a mental illness. Many things were done to help. Please understand that once a person is no longer a minor they can take themselves off medication or refuse to seek help of any professionals. I wish there was more that can be done to help anyone with a mental illness unfortunately there isn't. At a certain point it is out of the parents hands.

You have no idea how I knew one of these suspects. I am saying that impulsive decisions do have severe consequences. As I stated, until we have all the details (which we DO NOT) we need to pray for all the families involved and let the justice system and the police, detectives and the states attorney do their job.

Sure have a lot of knowledge there with no evidence. Go on a diet fatty and shut up.

Here we go with the race card. Please......

Honestly, Miss big booty, did your parents know every person you every hung out with? This is unspeakable, if ANYONE had any idea their child was going down this path it wouldn't have happend. Along with every other crime committed. I do not understand how you can continue to speak about one parent when there are two victims families to pray for along with four other families who's hearts are broken by this crime.
On a side note, you seem to have had some run ins with Officer Julie, maybe your decisions haven't always been on the right path?? Honestly, I don't care. I just don't understand how you can continue to speak about one parent in all this. Julie is a great Mother and Officer, people do things that are so unbelievable sometimes that there is no explanation has nothing to do with how they were raised or anything else other than a terrible decision fueled by something noone will ever understand. I'm sure every family that is involved is in so much pain they DO NOT need people to be putting them on public trial also. I will continue to pray for EVERY family member involved.

Considering you've had past interaction with Sgt. Julie......is it safe to say that you are an upstanding citizen? I read your comments and can "assume" that having personal dealings with a police officer would cause a person who doesn't know you, or your background or private life, to just jump to the conclusion that you have broken a law. Can I then assume that your parents are horrible? Did they raise you in ignorance to your every move? Did they not invade your privacy and scrutinize every possible thing you said, acted on or the people you associated with outside of the home?
Can't we just focus on the people who are directly responsible for what's going on? Can't we just show sympathy for ALL of the families? Two families have to bury their children and four families are dealing with having children who may have done something that they could never believe they would or could be capable of doing.
It seems you have a personal problem that should've been dealt with at the time of the occurrence, not trying to kick someone when they're down.

Miss big booty you are absolutely right. I must say that this officer was hired during the Bush Administration and I have been working for the last four to get better police on the streets.

But you know, we really just don't know---so we have no right to judge. Period. It's just not right.

"President Obama" sure did fix all the killing in Chicago too huh?? Oh, wait, I'll bet all those police were hired when Bush was in office. Nevermind.... you are a DUMBASS... where do these people come from????

Sadly some parents don't take responsibility for their children and can't wait to kick their kids out as soon as they turn 18. I don't feel bad for any of the killers' parents.

Society has a problem, and it stems from the rich not paying enough taxes and too many guns on the streets. These kids were headed down the wrong path before I even took office.

Society has a problem.. it stems from all the people in the projects sucking all the federal money out of the government and not doing anything about trying to better their life... sponges are a real problem...

I hope that your Mother is very proud of the judgemental person you are. These are all legally adults now. The way they were raised or their parents occupation is all meaningless in the grand scheme of things. These 4 young adults have ruined their lives and horribly taken the lives of 2 other young men. My heart hurts for all the families invloved. Horrible, tragic, unspeakable things happen and you cannot blame the parents. Everyone is capable of making their own decisions. I know one of the suspects was raised in a home full of love, rules, chores, family, caring and discipline. The suspect has a Family full of people who loved them. The suspect helped family members, took care of the ones in need, and cared for all of them.

A great police officer does not raise murders either!

@ GlockG22 Shoots 40s And who is what?

surely the dumbass claiming to be president obama on here is on the gubmint dole...

You are ignorant, that's all i have to say.

Seriously, that's all you got? You need to get out more and get a better understanding of the real world.

Video games, TV, movies, rap music.

Adults? 18 and 19 year olds may be legal adults, but they didn't just turn bad the day they came of age. They are responsibile for their actions, but their parents obviously did not put them on the right path growing up.

Parents aren't to blame, and neither am I..... This is George Bush's fault.

If your children were doing great, with great jobs and a wonderful family. You would be all over that, (my children are doing well because I raised them right) there is a eight-hundred pound gorilla in the room. All I here is "it's not our fault".

The perpetrators are responsible in the end, and if found guilty, justice must be served. Too many revolving door policies in Illinois and other liberal states.

Politicians aren't criminals, we just know what is best for you.

You nailed it, everyone I know had access to guns as teens, we never threatened or shot anyone: but we didn't spend all day simulating killing on our TVs and computers and didn't have the garbage that passes for music now days like rap that dehumanizes everyone.

So let's blame the video games they played while they were growing up. Good idea...because it wasn't the parent's job to monitor what their kids were doing.

Well-said, David. Garbage in/Garbage out!

I agree with most all of what you have said. It is good to read someone talking some good sense around here.

These senseless, evil murders are added to the long lists that already exist. So sad. I hope that the people responsible for these murders will be punished and put away for the rest of their lives so they can't do harm to any other people.

I honor my parents love and wisdom for teaching us three children how to be good, decent, caring, respectful loving people and good citizens. None of the three of us in our childhood family ever got in to trouble with others or the law. We are productive and caring citizens of USA. We pay our bills and taxes on time. We help ourselves, our families and others. We don't make troubles for our families or neighbors. We go to our churches and donate as we are able. My brother was in the US Navy for nearly 40 years, coming out with honors. We all have been hard workers, always supporting our selves and our families. I am thankful for my two good parents who taught us right from wrong, good from bad and how to get along in this world without harming others. So many of these problemed people who commit these horrendious crimes, either were not taught good, or they were taught it, but they did not follow that path - they chose another. And sadly, some chidren were not taught about the good that exists, they did not have good teachers, guardians or maybe parents. What was on their marjiuana and alcohol clouded minds?.

I agree with you concerning to many benefits inmates receive but that is a whole new topic. I do believe in giving some educational benefits to inmates in a minimum or medium prison.
However, if these four are convicted I’m assuming they will be going to a maximum prison based on the seriousness of their crime. In a maximum prison like Statesville there were no educational benefits. At least that I was aware of.
Our goal was to ensure they did not escape, kill each other or one of us. Glad, I ended up leaving and pursued an advanced education because that place was as close to hell as you could get.

Drugs,mental deviates,one parent family's,breakdown of morals, removal of prayer in school system years ago, gamers playing kill kill kill. etc....etc....etc... ...........

Oh foolish Katie, the way a child is raised is the path they will take in life,
almost 75% of the time. Mommy and daddy smoke and do drugs, kids do the same.

here kid read all the porn you want, it's good for you. Grow up Katie.

Oh J. Ann you make this so easy, and I will not use quotes from the Bible out of context, it's believers that like to cherry pick the nice parts, while ignoring the depravity. You apparently missed most of the Old Testament because "thou shall not murder" does NOT apply of you are doing it in the name of that very god that gave Moses the 10 Commandments. That is the same god that orders Moses, and the Israelites to kill all the Midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." Have a look at the history of the world and look at the amount of killing, and forced conversions that have been committed in the name of that god, and all because someone said, "go forth and baptize all nations". This wasn't taken as just a mere request, this gave men license to use the sword, and gun to slaughter their way to the top of the religious charts if you will. "Ya gotta read the whole thing a few times with the HOLY SPIRIT", priceless, so you're saying before I read it I have to already believe it's claims. Do you know what circular logic is? But don't worry J. Ann if you want to know about the religious texts, or their history, ask an atheist, we usually know it better.

Oh, and one more thing J. Ann you are right about one thing we are not descended from animals, we are part of the entire animal kingdom. You, me, and every other human being is a mammal, please pick up a second grade science book to clear up anymore confusion with evolution.

Hi S---I went to Catholic schools through elementary and most of high school; we had "religion"class, and we were free to pray and the Ten Commandments were not taboo, nor was anything about God. Catholic (and other Christian) schools also feed children, transport them when needed, give them counseling, provide after school care, etc. Why oh why remove God? Has it helped? Of course the parents have the ultimate responsibility of moral and world-view training, but it's nice for the schools to reinforce it, isn't it? I'm an educated person, with a bachelor's degree---in science! But I don't buy the evolution junk or the anti-God stuff. We have to think for ourselves, and not let the radical anti-God agenda in the public schools define us, or our children. And that will happen unless we get radical ourselves and make sure they have a good Christian, God-fearing upbringing. Parenting is a full time job, for sure, and we have to be vigilant. If they fail, at least we know we did our best. Peer pressure is so intense, it's difficult for them to resist unless they have a strong sense of their intrinsic value as HUMAN BEINGS created in God's image, and not mere animals on a food chain. That's what we, and the schools need to be teaching them---respect for LIFE.

SonofJohn that's the problem with the Bible, it doesn't have one, because killing for that vengeful god is commanded. It's always the self-righteous that seem to do the killing at the behest of a "just, and loving god".

It's funny you refer to money as the root of all evil. The church loves to promote that, and convince it's followers of that......yet they always need more of it. Ever ask yourself why?

Rabidatheist.... The "LOVE" of money is the root of all evil, don't take it out of context. In this case people were murdered for what? Money? And there is no problem with the bible, the problem lies with your inability to understand its principles. Some people will never understand, you may be one. Nuf said on that subject.

That's rude, rabid atheist.

It wasn't meant to be nice. Sometime hearing the truth is like removing a band-aid, it comes quick, and it's going to hurt.

Again, you don't get the passage... it's not about money loving something you moron... it's about people's love of money.... when money becomes the god you worship, you will do immoral things to acquire it... just because you are not Christian or believe the bible, it doesn't mean you have to play dumb or be stupid about it.

Regardless if everyone believes the bible for accuracy, if everyone followed the morals of the new testament this world would be much more peaceful.

Now, go crawl back in your hole and suck your thumb...

Ok Glock'n idiot my turn. Bad people are bad, money is only a tool (much like you) that can be used to make their bad intentions possible. Many people love money, and success, working very hard to achieve those thing. So your comment "when money becomes the god you worship, you will do immoral things to acquire it" is plain stupid. How many people that love success, and money take that money and use it for philanthropic ventures to benefit their fellow man. I see the church has drilled the old tired line "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to make it into heaven" into your head quite well.
Now as for the New Testament. Shall we examine the morals of the NT shall we?
Romans 1 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. Not very nice!
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6 I doubt you disagree with this though. Shall I continue?

idiot athiest... if you're going to read the bible, read more than a single verse. Your like a leftist media outlet... cut it up to meet your agenda. How about reading the rest of Ephisians and learn something about morals. Whether it be the slaves of the times or their masters, love is what is preached. You sir, need an exorcism.

You are an idiot Glock! You did exactly what I said the religious love to do, pick out the nice parts while ignoring the ugly, depravity in the Bible. I have read the Bible, from cover to cover several times. As Mark Twain said, "It's not the parts of the Bible I don't understand that disturb me, it's the parts that I do understand". By the way, pointing out the contradictory nature of the Bible does nothing to bolster your argument, it only shows how poorly man made it is.
I have an idea that goes along with your idiotic claim about money. I will go to work, and make that evil money that I love so much. You sit and home, and pray real hard (as the Bible does say you will receive whatever you pray for) and see if god prevents you from starving to death, or from having your home foreclosed upon. Up for the challenge?

Glock I also do find it amusing that a defender of the New Testament such as yourself, and believing it is about peace, and love, that you choose an instrument of death as a screen name. Jesus would be proud.

you should also find it amusing that I am not a strong believer in Christianity. There are many holes in the bible... but like I said, if everyone would follow the morals taught in the bible, this would be a much happier and safe place to live...

My Glock is my protection from the evil that walks this earth.

oh, and you should also know that I only skimmed your post and didn't read it as I really don't care much about what you say or think. Enjoy your day of reckoning...

Awesome Glock, "I am not a strong believer in Christianity", "follow the morals of the New Testament", "enjoy your day of reckoning" WTF?? So you really don't believe it, but you follow it anyway, because you fear punishment. Can I introduce you to a fellow "philosopher" of yours that believed the same thing his name is Blaise Pascal and he has a wager for you? It's a failure of a wager, but it's that same thing you believe.
"I really don't care what you say or think" is the waving the white flag of surrender when you can no longer support your position in a debate, because if you didn't care you wouldn't have been responding to my posts for two days now.

And, this is awesome...."My Glock is my protection from the evil that walks this earth." So you insist the world needs to follow your version of the peace, and love, "turn the other cheek" Jesus New Testament while you follow the vengeful, violent "eye for an eye" Old Testament.....HYPOCRITE!!! Admit it, you've never read the whole thing, have you?

Gio, you say "Yes religion has been the cause of most evil in the world" so casually. I trust you have solid evidence to trust this claim. It is funny how atheists so easily dismiss Christianity; I pray that you have an awakening at some point in your life. Maybe when you grow up, you will see the Light. Until then, enjoy the darkiness.
Are all teenagers from South Africa as pompous and arrogant as you are? Just wondering.

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He's not pompous and arrogant at all; he's educated and it shows. It's a shame that in America we're so hellbent on religion being the only source of salvation that we see people who are not religious as pompous and arrogant when they state their beliefs. Salvation is not something that needs to be in the after life, it is attainable by being a genuinely good person and you do not need any book or religion to be a good person. Grow up, Average Joe.

Average Joe I would love to give you your "solid evidence" for religion causing the most evil in the wold but The Patch limits me to 1500 words, and it would take much more than that to list all of it. You are free to visit any public library, I hear they have these things called books, and in those books are the history of most of civilization. We would know a lot more had Christians not burned the Library at Alexandria in 391 ad, and labeled, by decree of the Pope, anything other than Christian literature as heresy. Then it lead is into a wonderful time called the Dark Ages.

And you should stop believing fairy tales, as most grown-ups do.

No need to pray for my soul, it's perfectly fine. I'm sure your god would be ecstatic that you didn't believe salvation was attainable by being a good person. You're typical and that's a shame. Try getting outside the herd of sheep and see what happens.

Jesus said "there is only One good, and that's God". We just can't be "good" on our own; we always fall short. Human nature tends toward pride, selfishness, and all manner of sin. The Bible says if you're going to depend on your (good) works for salvation, you better keep the WHOLE law, perfectly. That is not attainable. There's only One who is good---GOD. Just look at what He did for us miserable sinners--sent His perfect, sinless Son to die for us, while we were still sinners. From the readings of most of these posts, we would not do that. We're not "good" without Him.
Furthermore, for you critics of the Bible, that Word is inspired by the Holy Spirit, and it is written as a love letter to us, a message from God's heart. We cannot understand the HEART of the Scriptures unless we have the author of the Scriptures living on the inside and enlightening us. Even then, it'll take a lifetime and then eternity to begin to understand it, it's just too deep for our human minds to fathom. Be that as it may, it's a joy and a privilege to be given the opportunity to start that journey. But no one can understand the mind of God except the Spirit of God---so we need to get the Spirit first by trusting Jesus. By wary where there's cynicism, offense, criticism and judgment regarding the Bible---that betrays a mere human spirit trying to reason and understand a God-inspired Word, and that is impossible. It's a twisted lie. So much hate.

J. Ann are you serious? Jesus has caused the most depraved acts in human history. Read about the Inquisition, or the Mallaeus Maleficarum, to see what Jesus' most beloved followers have done in his name. Or look at the Popes, and what they have done. Look at Pope John Paul, and that evil Mother Theresa, they are responsible for the deaths on millions of Africans for preaching, "sure AIDS is bad, but using a condom is an unforgivable sin". As for the Bible, we understand it just fine. Jesus of the Bible is a mythical invention, and all of the instance will never make him real.

No, rabid atheist, Jesus is not the cause of any depraved acts in history. Of course since you think He's a mythical character, how you can even believe that is beyond me....anyway, we all have free wills to choose what we will put our time and focus on; and we also have a resident sinful nature, and then there's all the evil forces in the world influencing people and confusing and twisting and accusing and distorting and sometimes ultimately MURDERING, and there, we've come full circle. These murders were a multi-faceted product of their own twisted minds, and their evil inclinations resulting from tons of evil they put in their minds over and over in the form of music, videos, and other things such as wrong associations and relationships. There's no vacuum in the mind---it's good or evil, and what we put in consistently will affect us, and some will act on it. You feed the "bad dog" or the "good dog". We either use the gift of free will to choose life in all it's forms--love, kindness, goodwill, or we begin to choose hate, vengeance and evil-- maybe because we were abused or rejected or neglected---but we still have a choice, to become bitter or better. They will have to pay for their wrong decisions, but Jesus is all good and exhorts us to choose LIFE. You greatly misunderstand and therefore misrepresent what true faith in a loving God is all about, and rather love to hear yourself talk.

@ concerned, and you know this how?

THAT DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE CAN YOU ALL STAY FOCUS OF WHAT JUST HAPPEN WORRYING ABOUT SPELL CHECKS. PEOPLE WORRY ABOUT THE WRONG THINGS . IF YOU GOING TO PUT A SCRIPTURE UP LET IT BE FOR THE VICTIMS FAMILY.. WOW....... SAYING SOMETHING THATS MEANINGFUL... YOU ALL NEED TO GROW UP

HOW FUCKN DARE YOU SAY A MURDER IS A GOOD PERSON ARE STUPID , DUMB AND RETARDED. YOU PEOPLE ARE SOMETHING ELSE.

WHO GIVES A FUCK IF THEY FUCK ON TOP OF A BODIES YOUR MISSING THE POINT THEY KILLED , MURDER TWO HUMAN BEINGGGGSSSS.

STOP TEXTING YOUR REALLY MAKING MY FLUSH CRAWL ... YOUR JUST AS LOST AS WE ARE YOU SAY SHE'S A GOOD PERSON . I GUESS YOU DONT REALLY KNOW YOUR COUSIN KNOW DO YOU?
AFTER MURDERING TWO PEOPLE. NOW WHAT IF SOMEONE HAD MURDER YOUR COUSIN AND THEY FAMILY SAID THAT THE PERSON WHO MURDER YOUR COUSIN WAS A GOOD PERSON HOW WOULD YOU FEEL? RIGHT!!!!!!!